Arsenic continues to move toward the forefront of APL treatment, new JAMA article
July 25th, 2007 at 6:12 pm (APL Emerging Therapies, APL Relapse, APL Technical Talk, Anita updates, Arsenic Therapy)
At the 43rd annual meeting of the American Society of Clinical Oncology, held last month (June) in Chicago, researchers presented findings from trials evaluating the safety and efficacy of new potential front line treatments for cancer. The use of Arsenic Trioxide as part of front line treatment for APL was discussed.
The Arsenic Trioxide related presentation
…The first study revealed that adding arsenic trioxide to standard therapy significantly increased overall survival among adults with newly diagnosed acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL). Arsenic trioxide has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for years, and it is currently prescribed as second-line treatment for patients with APL who do not respond to the standard therapy of combined all—trans retinoic acid and chemotherapy. About 70% of patients taking standard therapy experience a complete response, and 35% to 45% of patients are disease free at 5 years. …
In this randomized phase 3 trial of more than 500 patients, overall survival at 3 years of follow-up was 86% in the arsenic trioxide group vs 77% in the standard treatment group, and event-free survival was 77% and 59%, respectively. Cardiac irregularities and blood-related adverse effects such as low blood counts were not significantly different in the two groups, but infections and headaches were higher in the arsenic trioxide group (43%) than in the standard therapy group (28%).
“Addition of arsenic trioxide is associated with very little additional toxicity, and relapse was very uncommon in patients who received [the drug]: 5 out of 202 patients,” said lead author Bayard Powell, MD, of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, in Winston-Salem, NC. “Arsenic trioxide should be incorporated into the therapy of patients with untreated APL,” he concluded.
Other countries, especially China have been using Arsenic in their front line APL treatments for some time. The US seems to be playing catch up on this one. At the same time, it is Arsenic after all (poison) so I can understand that the US has been slow to use Arsenic as an agent for treating new cases of APL.
Sure, Arsenic is poison but then so is water in a high enough dose. Have you ever heard the comment that its the dose that determines whether a compound is a medicine or a poison?
APL Treatments continue to improve, but there is more work to be done
When Anita was initially diagnosed with APL in 2002 her oncologist commented that APL is one of the less deadly types of leukemia. He was right of course but at the same time APL is certainly no walk in the park. I guess you could say that it is one of the best of the worst if that is saying much at all.
Take careful note of the statement that appears in the exerpt from the JAMA article: “35-40% of patients treated with standard therapy are disease free at 5 yrs”. My take on that sentence is that most patients do in fact relapse within a 5 yr period. Of course this is still better than other types of leukemia where many Dr’s will tell you that relapse after initial non-transplant based treatment is a virtual certainty.
My point here is that there is still much to be done in terms of improving the treatment for APL.
Oh — my other point…!! If you were recently diagnosed with APL and you are starting treatment, please ask your Dr. whether it would make sense to include Arsenic in your initial treatment.
Here is the link to the new JAMA article – http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/298/4/391
Sorry – but it looks like you will have to be a JAMA subscriber to see the article. I would be happy to email a copy to you if you email me with that request.
Anita’s Experience with Arsenic Trioxide
This site has a few postings about Anita’s specific experience with her Arsenic treatment. Overall her treatment with Arsenic was uneventful but effective.
In fact, Anita’s Arsenic treatment didn’t cause her to lose her hair or experience any of the nasty side effects that are normally associated with traditional chemotherapy.
I keep dwelling on Anita’s positive experience with Arsenic partly because I remember researching Arsenic for APL when Anita was to start her treatment. Of course most of the articles I found were plenty scary, some talking about sudden death during treatment and other serious problems.
Some of these APLBLOG posts seem to be coming up near the top of many of my test Google searches now – so maybe the “next person” that searches for APL Arsenic etc will see something more positive and practical than I did when I first searched on the subject. I ended up being quite scared for Anita after initially reading about Arsenic.
Arsenic can indeed be dangerous but as doctors have become more skilled at admininstering it (especially including close monitoring of electrolyte levels such as Potassium and Magnesium) the danger has become more managable. Some of the problems you might read about with Arsenic relate to issues that were more common when doctors were less skilled at managing its potential side effects.
(by the way – that picture is what Arsenic looks like in one of its natural forms)
Feedback on this blog post
There has been some interesting feedback on the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society bulletin boards. With respect to the individuals involved we’d like to summarize some of the points.
- Hi Chris,
Thanks for the information. I too, have been doing a lot of reading about Ars.Tri. I was dx 5-06, rem. 6-06, 2 consol., and started ATRA maint.(90mg daily, 7 days on,7 days off)in 10-06. Originally my oncologist was only going to put me on it for a year. But now he wants me to continue until 10-08. Do you think I should broach the subject of adding Ars.Tri. at this time? I would value your input/opinion.with sincere thanks,
- Beth- I was fortunate to be one of the research study participants a little less than 5 years ago. I’m glad to see that Arsenic Trioxide is soon to be rolling out for all to receive as part of the frontline treatment for APL. I think it is as close to a “miracle” drug that there is.
- mbatdorf- I can’t offer any specific advice for you. The more I learn about all this the less apt I am to try and suggest much of anything specific to any specific individual.There are just too many variables that I don’t have knowledge or visibility on – even for my wife’s own treatment! I can tell you that I would have plenty of questions about Arsenic if I were in your shoes.
I guess if you were to get Arsenic now it would be as an additional consolidation therapy as I suspect you are already in a good remission. Have you had a few negative PCR tests since achieving remission?
There is nothing to suggest that you will certainly relapse although I think the “35-40% remain disease free at 5 yrs” comment should get everyone’s attention. Honestly that number scares me and I have seen plenty of similar numbers in other places over the years.
Five years ago I remember hearing that Anita had a 70-80% chance of not relapsing in the first 5 yrs, with even less chance of relapse thereafter. She did not receive Arsenic and those were the “numbers” that were quoted for the Retinoic Acid/Chemo route she was offered and accepted in 2002. Arsenic was experimental as front-line treatment at that time so I am not trying to suggest that we should have been offered access to it 5 yrs ago.
Of course she did relapse (exactly at 5 yrs!!!) and now the relapse stats for treatment that did not include arsenic seem to be reversed at least according to this JAMA article quoted in the original post.
I also do not regard arsenic, or any drug for that matter as a miracle drug. There are risks with Arsenic and questions remain, like whether it could pre-dispose you to future different types of cancers years in the future.
So back to my original comment that APL is rare. Why did I mention that? Here’s why…
I think you are going to run into trouble getting your ONC to do any sort of “custom job” for you – i.e. adding Arsenic later in your treatment.
Your probably going to get thinking like “Your in remission now – why mess with that?”. A 30 day course of Arsenic that includes much of any hospitlization will probably cost around 50k too (fyi). Your insurance might even balk about paying for it since you are already in remission etc.
APL is so rate that any specific oncologist you are likely to speak with has treated only a handful of cases over his or her career. Of course there are all kinds of rare cancers that oncologists deal with every day – but the point still holds APL is rare. Oh – and Docs that are experienced with APL and Arsenic are rarer still!
Ok – so what to do?
I would try to get a few second opinions – perhaps including an opinion from one of the docs that was involved with the JAMA study.
Basically I would try to develop a concensus between a few Docs – including some that are very familar with Arsenic in the APL context.
You don’t want this crap to come back if you can avoid it. In your shoes, I would be interested in anything that might significantly help prevent its return.
Anita’s auto transplant is going pretty much as planned but it is difficult, painful and not without its own risks. I wish she could have avoided the need for her transplant.
-Chris
- One has to look more deeply into that JAMA article (I wasn’t willing to buy it, but I believe I saw the study a week or two ago). The event free survival numbers refer to, I think, protocols that used daunarubicin and/or ATRA. Idarubicin (used more commonly now, and a “newer” less heart toxic chemo) has been more effective with APL, and the PETHEMA APL99 protocol (which I was on) had a relapse rate under 1-3% for people who were low-intermediate risk and had achieved remission. I know these data were accurate as of 4 years, and how it has been almost eight years, and I emailed one of the APL “gurus” who has worked with Dr. Miguel Sanz (who ran the PETHEMA study) and he indicated that the numbers, as far as he knows, have persisted — i.e. the relapse rate 8 years later, is still under 1-3% for low to intermediate risk patients. This protocol used Ida+ATRA for induction, and IDA+ATRA, Mitoxantrone+ATRA, and IDA+ATRA for consolidation with two years of Atra/6MP/Methotrexate.
I just finished maintenance. It is a long road with APL, and you need to be your own advocate. With APL there’s good news and bad news: good news is it is highly treatable and curable; bad news is that there are many ways to treat it, so choosing a course is mind-numbing. I DO think (based on my reading, for I’m not a doc) that therapy using Arsenic (which I did NOT have) is proving to be highly beneficial and efficacious.
-pen65000- The JAMA article mentions “35-40% are disease free at 5 years”. This sounds like another way of saying that 60-65% of APL patients relapse within 5 yrs at least when Arsenic is not used as part of initial treatment.I will try to ask Anita’s onc what “disease free” means in this context.Survival would be a different statistic altogether and would be higher.
Maybe the 70-80% survival at 5 yrs from initial diagnosis could still be correct – it just that many (60-65%?) of those survivors might have relapsed during the 5 yr period, possibly needing more treatments, transplants etc.
All these stats are tricky.
-Chris
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Maybe the 70-80% survival at 5 yrs from initial diagnosis could still be correct – it just that many (60-65%?) of those survivors might have relapsed during the 5 yr period, possibly needing more treatments, transplants etc.
Though I haven’t really read this study to say whether that’s the case here, what you’ve noted is not necessarily an unspoken but a quietly spoken and unfortunate “read between the lines” fact in all AML treatment when discussing survival. Terms like “disease free survival” and “event free survival” and “relapse free survival” are additionally usually contextual, and can change the simple interpretation of statistics.
I would be exceedingly encouraged by the fact that “event free survival” was so high, however. Especially after earlier concerns about treatment-related mortality and genotoxicity. (Issues that generally figure much more prominently into adoption of treatments here than in some places.)
(And it reads to me as though the JAMA article is initially citing general statistics first when discussing 5-year disease free rates, and then the new study’s own statistics separately in discussing 3-year rates.)
I have read a couple of very interesting new abstracts on an ATO and parthenolide combination, and on ATO’s ability to tamp down leukemic stem cells in APL.
- MichaelM
- I think the LLS should have a good FAQ that explains all of these terms – disease free survival, relapse free survival, event free survival, treatment related mortality, overall survival, etc.
Looking back to 2002, I believe we were quoted a 5 yr overall survival number of 70-80%. Our doc was not suggesting that there was only a 20-30% chance of relapse. Then again, if we had been told that there was a 60-65% chance that the leukemia would come back I don’t know what we would have done with that information. And yes, these numbers from the JAMA article apply to people that did not receive arsenic as part of their up front treatment.When Anita was first diagnosed our first concern was for her to survive (obviously) so we were not thinking about the nuances of how to interpret stats we were quoted.
It is very hard to decide exactly how much of this information I even want to know when its my own family that is suffering. The question of what to do with any bit of information we are provided – i.e. is it actionable in some way – comes up at every turn.
Better understanding DFS vs OS does seem important though as it could possibly help some people choose between more or less aggressive treatments up front. Of course more aggressive treatments might promise lesser relapse rates but provide possibly worse OS within a defined period of time (i.e. 5 yrs).
In retrospect, I think we sort of ended up looking at Anita’s 2002 APL diagnosis through rose colored glasses, not realizing that the relapse rate was as high as it apparently is.
Would we have done anything different with a better understanding of the survival numbers? Probably not.
Some of this might speak to the importance of getting multiple opinions and consultations when you are diagnosed. Misunderstandings and partial understandings of relevant facts might tend to get flushed out a litle better when you start talking to multiple experts.
-Chris
- There are some predictors about relapse, namely the patient’s white count at presentation. If the patient presents with a WBC of over 10,000, the patient is considered “high risk” for relapse. I forget what makes up “low” and “moderate” risk because I fall into the “high” risk category, and that was all I needed to know. In the studies I read (none of which included arsenic in the consolidation phase), all or almost all of the high risk patients relapsed. To counter that risk, my onc put me on an arsenic trioxide protocol. He believes that the arsenic essentially eliminates the high risk category. Additionally, in my protocol the daily 6MP in maintenance is only prescribed to high risk patients.
My heart really does go out to you. I can tell how much you care about your wife and how hard you are working to help her beat this disease. When Anita was diagnosed the first time, you made the best decisions based on the information you and the medical community had at the time. Don’t second-guess the decisions you made in the past.
-Diane
- Disease free survival (DFS) generally means just that – the length of survival from the original disease (not secondary) following a specific treatment during which no sign of disease was present. Though there is some wiggle room in defining what “reappearance of disease” means (which should be defined in each study), broadly speaking DFS ends when the disease reappears.Relapse free survival is similar, with the primary end point being relapse of disease and/or time of last follow-up. I’ve often seen it include death from any cause. (If you’re in remission but die in a car wreck, you were still in remission at the time of death.) Sometimes RFS is defined in the same way as DFS.Event free survival generally means the time during which there is no reappearance of disease (relapse), no death resulting from the disease _or_ the specific treatment in that trial, and no significant complications resulting from that specific treatment. As with DFS, the details of what constitutes disease reappearance and “significant” complications is something that should be defined in each trial.
Some of this is a bit different from cancer to cancer as well, and again you can find variation for any of these from trial to trial, but they’re much more specific than simple OS.
-MichaelM
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